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Day Seven — Debaters gonna debate

February 7, 2011
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The moment Mike Tithecott learned he would be the next USC president. His father is on the far right in the green scarf.

I met Andrew Forgione’s mom on Friday.

It’s easy to forget in all of the craziness surrounding the University Students’ Council elections that these candidates are just real people with moms and dads and problems of their own.

I think it’s a byproduct of the campaign’s ridiculous branding — which is unfortunately 100 per cent necessary to winning this thing — that we don’t really think of Forgione and his colleagues Omid Salari and David Basu Roy as having lives outside of the race. When all you see is a smiling face, a colour scheme, a polished website, an overtly friendly twitter feed and symbolic logo, you forget that just a week ago these same folks were walking around campus just like you. Marching class-to-class, barely recognizable amidst the sea of Western students.

Meeting Forgione’s mom actually reminded me of Mike Tithecott’s dad who was somewhat of a fixture during his son’s ultimately successful campaign for USC president last year. The moment immediately after Tithecott was named president, when him and his father embraced each other crying, was probably one of the more powerful, emotional moments a USC election has ever seen. It went mostly unreported but anyone who was there knows just how affecting the moment was. I certainly haven’t forgotten it.

Don’t worry, I haven’t gone soft. It’s just moments like those that really give you perspective on the zaniness that is USC Elections at Western. The moment I had to talk to Mrs. Forgione on Friday was a small one. But a really nice one at the same time.

The debate over debate in the debates

As usual, the Gazette is driving the discourse when it comes to Western and the USC, this time by pointing out, justly I might add, that this year’s debates so far haven’t featured any actual debate.

Former USC presidential candidate Andrew Beach weighed in. Quickly followed by Omid Salari himself. We also heard from current senator and Fuss on the Buser Pat Searle.

For me, the USC debates are really just question and answer sessions. And while it’s nice to hear the candidates elaborate on their platforms and explain how they would handle certain predicaments, it’s frankly played out.

Take Saturday’s presidential debate, for instance, which was attended by approximately five to ten people who weren’t on the USC, campaign team members or campus media. Hey, that was Mike Tithecott’s estimation, not mine. (Mine would have been much lower)

What is the point, I must ask, of wasting four hours on a Saturday afternoon to answer well-formed questions before a crowd of decided voters? The actual constituents are voting with their butts by not showing up and telling everyone involved “hey! Listen to us! We don’t care!”

Saturday afternoon, I would imagine, is a prime time to hit up one of the university’s residences, canvassing first years who have little knowledge of the USC and getting them involved. You had your best chance of catching them actually in their residences on Saturday afternoon, unlike on weekdays when they could be off at class or, heaven forbid, involved with something extra-curricular on campus.  But instead we did this.

I only stuck it out for the first two hours — I am still a sports writer by day — and as I understand it the questions and answers improved as the event entered its second half. But who, tuning in from home on the internet, would have possibly stuck it out that long to see the candidates challenge each other?

You know my opinion on the motivations behind Saturday’s debate which essentially boiled down to a self-serving USC auditing procedure. Call me blunt, but the harsher thing to say would be that USC genuinely thought campus needed yet another Q and A session with the candidates. On a Saturday morning. For four hours.

Call me crazy, but what I think we need is actual debate sessions on current USC topics. We need to open the floor to the issues that the candidates should be well versed on. The USC’s role in environmentalism, the USC’s retail operations, O-Week, clubs and services, the LTC. I could go on.

We also need to open the floor to students and let them line up and ask questions. Why can’t they be involved in the process? Why do we only debate before councils, the media and people waiting in line to buy a CLT? These are people who are already informed and likely already know who they are going to vote for.

Oh yeah — there’s another problem. The Gazette, CHRW and Big Purple Couch. We’re egotistical maniacs and we use these sessions as a forum to prove how smart we are. Yeah I ‘effin said it.

The debates shouldn’t be about which member of campus media can research and form the most challenging question. We shouldn’t be getting our rocks off by trying to trip up the candidates like we were on Saturday. We should be letting the candidates talk. We should literally just be saying “USC Finances — Go!” and letting the three duke it out.

In the prudent words of Will Ferrell’s Frank the tank: “That’s how you debate!”

Odds and ends

  • The folks at Big Purple Couch are obviously wise people. They chose to recruit Matt Ryan, the undoubted front runner in this race and clearly the best man to be president, to help interrogate the presidential hopefuls on stage in The Spoke. MR. Western doesn’t only have a bright future ahead of him as USC president, he apparently has a knack for television as well. You can watch all of the interviews on BPC’s YouTube page.
  • Today in videos: Forgione has a recap of his Sunday, which involved talking to the affiliates and watching the Super Bowl while ‘chilling in the sack.’ Whatever that means….  Meanwhile, Salari shares his thoughts on the UWOFA and UWOSA debacles from last year and even throws out the ‘s’ word when it comes to students. Think we can strike over the outrageous price of nachos in The Spoke? Finally, David Basu Roy sits on the ugliest couch on planet earth to talk about his experience in an extremely canned, rehearsed fashion. No, I don’t know why.
  • It wouldn’t be a passing day without a pair of USCers earning accolades after doing a minimal amount of work. (I kid!) Zach Valliant has been acclaimed as the new president of MIT and he is joined on council by the MIT’s new USC representative Jess Bronstein. Big ups to both of them, or whatever the MIT hipsters are saying these days. I’m so out of touch.
  • I mean, you could have gone to the presidential debate before the Huron University Students’ Council on Sunday. But, really, why would you? What exactly is Huron anyway? Is that one of those new rooms in the basement of the UCC? Also, there’s no reason to attend when Huron president Adam Fearnall tweets every ounce of oxygen expelled from the mouths of the candidates. If you’ve got a couple hours, read up on his timeline.

And this kind of leads me to something that bugs me a bit. I’ve been getting comments at debates such as ‘oh, are you tweeting this?’ ‘Why isn’t one of the official USC media outlets live-tweeting this?’ ‘Andrew Forgione tells me twitter is important. Why don’t you twitter more about what he says?’

Firstly — we do tweet the debates. Every single one of them. If you aren’t following our news team of KaleighAtGazette, MonicaAtGazette, GloriaAtGazette and Cheryl Stone — who works too hard to possibly maintain a twitter account — you’re missing out. They will tell you about the minuscule debate details you surely do not care about.

Secondly, if you’re not a member of the media at Western — you lucky bastard — you are more than welcome to live tweet from a debate. Citizen journalism is great. But at least try to have some neutrality. If you’re praising Forgione’s debate performance from a twitter account that features the candidate’s logo in the profile picture or tweeting choice Basu Roy quotes from his own freakin’ twitter account, it’s not really helping.

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Arden Zwelling

Arden is the Associate Editor of The Gazette and in his fourth year of the Media, Information and Technoculture program at Western. He is also a writer for CFL.ca, a web editor for The Score and a blogger for The Score's University Rush. Arden hosts the Utility Men which airs every other Thursday at 6:00 PM on CHRW 94.9 FM. Email Arden at arden@westerngazette.ca or follow him on twitter at www.twitter.com/ArdenZwelling

10 Comments

  • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Laura
    says:

    FYI- the “sack” is actually the Huron SAC. Student Activity Centre. It’s the main student lounge space on the Huron campus. Big screen TV, really comfy leather couches.

  • +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Omid
    says:

    I LOVE the SAC. I used to sleep right above. Nothing like the Huron SAC.

  • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Rebecca
    says:

    Huron’s SAC is actually probably one of the best places on campus. Students from main who know about it are pretty jealous. Not to mention the fact that we have our own bar.

    But, hey, it’s just Huron right? Just a new room in the UCC basement?

    While you may think you are being oh so clever, try and remember that Huron began before UWO. I am used to the Gazette writing things to get a reaction, but I am hardly looking to read quips about how unimportant my university college is on a blog about the USC elections.

    I have so far been unable to attend any of the debates for the presidential campaign, but followed KalAtGazette’s tweets for Saturday’s debate. While Mr. Fearnall’s tweets may have been in the excess for the HUCSC debate, I skimmed through them to see answers of questions that apply to me and I found this a helpful resource.

    This really makes me want to get further involved with the USC and its various services.

  • Vote -1 Vote +1AC
    says:

    “Oh yeah — there’s another problem. The Gazette, CHRW and Big Purple Couch. We’re egotistical maniacs and we use these sessions as a forum to prove how smart we are. Yeah I ‘effin said it.”

    Okay Arden, now you can make jokes about the “dryness” of my pants, because I loved this comment.

    Debates between candidates is an interesting proposition. Personally, I worry about how it could degenerate into something really vicious, but maybe I give too little credit to candidates.

  • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Victoria
    says:

    While you have provided good coverage in this blog, your comment about Huron University College was unnecessary. You may have been hoping for some sort of reaction from readers, but it is insulting to those who attend Huron and taints your position as a reporter for the Gazette (which also covers affiliate news).

    Also, Fearnall’s twitter is a place many Huron students can rely on for information about the HUCSC and other events happening on campus. By covering the USC elections, he is helping inform people about the candidates and their platforms. The Gazette claims they want to educate students on the USC elections, so why are you complaining when others, including Fearnall, are trying to increase awareness? Trust me, his tweets won’t affect the number of hits your column gets.

  • Vote -1 Vote +1Omid
    says:

    AC

    I love the no-nonsense attitude that you have towards all of this. Can you email me your frank thoughts on my platform? And myself? I’ll keep your identity secret, of course. Or just text me, it’s not like I have your number.

    I think that it will get vicious. I intend to pull no punches, and I expect the same from my colleagues. If the gloves don’t come off, then it’s the same sissy BS that Q&A’s are.

    I’m just glad that the game is changing. I’ve seen so much change in the USC at the higher levels, from Gazette moving online (mostly thanks to Stuart’s brilliance) and the new governance structure (hat’s off to Dan M, Scott and Emily)… it’s just beautiful to see it trickle down to these elections too.

    And while I agree with Gazette (limited) and BPC, I certainly don’t think that CHRW belongs in that category as well. If you want to see real artists making real art, and volunteering for nothing but their love of music… head down to what is, in my humble opinion, the single most underrated resource on Campus- the people at CHRW are the best I’ve met, and profoundly influenced me. You won’t believe your eyes and ears.

  • +9 Vote -1 Vote +1Arden Zwelling
    says:

    Trust me when I say that it’s a major buzz kill that I have to clarify this…

    The Huron comments were a joke. I know what Huron is. I know what the SAC is. I spoke to Adam Fearnall today and had a very pleasant conversation. He sounds like a really good guy and I’m beyond stoked about a project he’s currently organizing. Fortunately for humanity, he got the joke.

    I have universally poked fun at everyone involved in this process in this space (including myself and the Gazette constantly) and I have no intention of stopping.

    The best part of this process for me has been twofold. The first is the active comments section on this blog. The second is the gracious, light-hearted, affable and easy going way that the candidates have taken my criticisms and bad jokes in stride. I don’t claim to have any superior knowledge over anyone else when it comes to USC politics and I certainly don’t believe that this blog has any sway whatsoever in the way people think. I just call it like I see it and make some jokes along the way.

    If you have thin skin or take yourself or your organization too seriously, you probably shouldn’t be reading this. If we were all as full of ourselves as it seems some Huron students are, we’d be Queen’s students.

    Told ya I make fun of everyone…

  • +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Taylor Axford
    says:

    Along the lines of Twitter, this grabbed my attention:
    http://twitter.com/#!/votedbr/status/33269853892644864

    Harmless joke, or potentially offensive reference to a song that makes light of sexual assault? Popular song, of course, but I don’t see it being appropriate along the lines of a USC election candidate. Obviously we’re all grown ups here, but I mean, there should be some sort of limit.

  • Vote -1 Vote +1SW
    says:

    I was really offended by the “hide your kids, hide your wife.” tweet. I was going to vote Dave because I thought I believed in what he stood for, but making light of rape? On an official twitter account? While you are campaigning? Sorry, your values don’t align with mine. Dave you had me, but you lost me.

    Also, the finished video. Personally, I thought the preview was better. The preview was quirky and cute. The final product is disorganized, has appeared too late in the game… and speaks to both the disorganization of Dave’s campaign and his campaign team that resembles different variations of the same person (and not the diverse student body at Western).

    Dave truly has gone from hero to zero, in my books.

  • Vote -1 Vote +1AC
    says:

    Hi Omid:

    I’ll have a look at your platform… hopefully tonight. Perhaps a bit late, but I’m afraid it’s the earliest that I’ve been able to have a closer look at these things this week.

    As for the debate my concern in saying that it could get nasty is not that people won’t hold one another to account, I think that is appropriate. What troubles me is how it could become uncivil or personal.

    So, fine enough: don’t pull any punches. But at the same time, I think you three can disagree without being disagreeable.

    Good luck!

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